Abaddon Drops

[foefoe 0]

Few of us were talking after the abby kill today and came up with a good idea. As of the last 6 weeks, there has been a lot of apoc hunts taking place. And 4 times now abby has been downed in those 6 weeks. But something that is starting to ruin moral/ambition to hunt is the ppl who only intend on stealing drop from the people who hunt. These ppl put no effort into hunting and then abuse spies to take a drop from the abby. Its an annoying and cowardly thing to do. And it only helps to lower the activity in the server as ppl lose ambition to hunt with these people who are literally scamming the server.

 

So my suggestion is to try and come up with a way to keep the drops for only the ppl who hunted them and also allow the opposite town a chance to invade the hunt. One way would be for w/e town that gets the last hit on abby, the opposite town would be recalled upon the abbys death. I have no idea how hard this would be to institute into the game, but just an idea. Another way would be for GM's to step in and make a rule that would ban stealing of drops from Abaddon only. It would be very easy to enforce this rule as drops are easily traced. But also with this rule would have to be town cooperation in allowing drops to be fg. (i believe we were all ok with this today while hunting abby, but ppl had to jump the drop becuz elv had thieved the drop.) This rule would also result in aresden drop jumpers to be punished as well, as it is easier to steal while hunting with the town who is killing the abby.

I believe most ppl will agree with this basic idea, as many ppl put days of work week after week.(Mostly KK) And it never fails that someone is trying to be a dirty thief and take advantage of other's hard work. People are much harder to find for apoc hunts now a days, and i blame these drop thieves for 75% of that. Plz ppl send some ideas and thoughts about this. I really think something needs to be done about this as it is directly affecting server activity. Which is something i have been working very hard to increase on the Aresden side.

 

SnowyJoe

PromiseLnD

Edited March 10, 2010 by foefoe

[Moha 0]

wtf

i knew u were hunting abby and i didnt even bother to attack u

 

You want me to ruin your hunts?, for me is pretty easy

god..

 

[foefoe 0]

calm down napolean dynomite. U were at school while abby was being downed. Dont play like u wouldn't have been there. I dont mind 1 little bit about u attacking the hunt, thats what the game is all about. But the stealing is messed up. And ill be the first to admit that i did the same thing, used hp slate and had my choice of which spot i wanted on the drop. But i did that after u ganked our drop the week b4. Bottom line is i want to keep hunting abby and fighting in apoc maps. And i think its better for the server if something is done about it. tbh is a crummy thing to do anyway, i always enjoyed playin nemesis becuz players are protected much more from thieves/scammers and all around bad ppl then any other server. If a town has the man power to down abby and fight off the opposite town, they should earn the right to not get there items stolen by some tool who was camping the drop. And maybe this could encourage more activity in the apoc maps from the elvine side to stop us from killin abby every week without having to steal.

 

SnowyJoe

PromiseLnD

[Moha 0]

nop

i was training fencing

i was just bored and didnt feel like it

I was on SergiaPoop

 

and your right about something

ITs just wrong to have a chance to steal something from 20 guys hunting 15 hours...

 

how about if your town wins both sades+ held, only your town can enter abby

naiz huh?

 

 

[foefoe 0]

zzz w/e man. point is the drop still got jumped, perhaps i should not have name dropped u. To show my point more clearly ill edit ur name out. Dont muck up this link with garbage plz, this is important and i would like ppls input.

 

SnowyJoe

PromiseLnD

[foefoe 0]

nop

i was training fencing

i was just bored and didnt feel like it

I was on SergiaPoop

 

and your right about something

ITs just wrong to have a chance to steal something from 20 guys hunting 15 hours...

 

how about if your town wins both sades+ held, only your town can enter abby

naiz huh?

 

 

If it were just the 20+*** hours of hunting it wouldnt be that bad, but it takes much more. Getting ppl organized and to abby and hunting at a good pace is very difficult for ares. as we are a cluster of time zones, and to be quite blunt ares skill lvl is lacking compared to elvine.

But u might be on to something with the sade/held idea. Maybe not exactly that, becuz elvine still seem to dominate these events with the exception of the elvs defending held (ofc). But maybe there can be some sort of "abby rights" event during the week. Then again, fighting in apoc maps is a lot of fun imo. Getting stolen from isn't :*(

[Svafnir 0]

Maybe creating a system in which, before starting abby clearing (or when abby spawns), a Captain is chosen. When abby dies, this captain autamatically gets the drops in his bag?

And maybe have 1 or 2 more backup people in case the Captain isn't there at the moment of abby's death.

 

I really dont know how hard it would be, but it can work.

Townsmate know who are and who aren't trustworthy people, a random idiot wont be selected. So, its up to them to have a succesful drop managing..

[foefoe 0]

We already do that, today we agreed b4 we started killing abby that only I and Morpheus would take drops. And everyone did a fantastic job staying off the drop. But then ofc the elv came and we all had to jump it to keep elv from getting more than 1 drop, which is ofc why i'm posting this. This is really a case of a few bad apples ruining it for everyone else, and no rules/way to stop them

[Svafnir 0]

No, I mean, a system worked in the code.

A window pops up at the time Apocalypse opens, or when abbadon spawns and there u write the names of who you want to get drops and when abby dies, the drops goes directly to their bags without droping.

[~WhiteFang 0]

A simeliar system was suggested by myself shortly after the change of the abaddon drops.

 

We reviewed the suggestion in the staff room and considered it's impact and change of game-play too high to be adding such system.

It encourages abaddon hunts, but makes them way too easy, as the system handles the drops.

 

Though many mmo's have features like drops being "bound" to the monster's killr for a certain time, then relasing to be picked by anyone else.

This was also suggested by myself, and again ,the game-play would change too much, the impact is too high for helbreath as it currently is.

[foefoe 0]

well imo it would only impact the gameplay for the better. the only thing it would stop is the thieves. i want any town to be able to raid the abby hunt at any time. just not after its dead. thats the only thing i'm suggesting. and imo a simple rule would fix the problem rather than having to add anything new into the game. whats happening is simple, its no different than any other kind of scamming, only this is legal to do.

[~WhiteFang 0]

well imo it would only impact the gameplay for the better. the only thing it would stop is the thieves. i want any town to be able to raid the abby hunt at any time. just not after its dead. thats the only thing i'm suggesting. and imo a simple rule would fix the problem rather than having to add anything new into the game. whats happening is simple, its no different than any other kind of scamming, only this is legal to do.

 

it stops the thieves, true, which is posive for the hunters, and negative for the thieves.

 

Removing the "thieving" ability, which make the hunters much more laxer, as there is no need to worry about drops being thieved.

 

An update like this would belong in HelBreath 2, not in Helbreath...

[foefoe 0]

negative for the thieves? poor them...... This is a rule that belonged in nemesis 1 on day 1. there is only 1 monster that i'm suggesting this apply for. if ppl wanna raid abby map all day and kill us while we kill 6 hours worth of tw and try to steal every drop then fine. Buts its too much work/trouble to go thru apoc and do all that work for 1 person to do 0 work and get the same benefit from the abaddon, its just not fair. And i will not lead another apoc team until something is done about this. If that means apoc never gets done again then oh well :*( Not what i want tho. As i think these hunts help ppl keep ambition to play.

[Stang 0]

I think what ever town gets the last hit.. the other town should get force recaled.

 

 

 

p.s sergio no way u were on or you definitly would have tried 2 take a drop. dont try and lie 2 me

Edited March 10, 2010 by Stang

[Moha 0]

i was on

i was lazy

 

 

wana bet a mer shield ? xD

 

[Stang 0]

i was on

i was lazy

 

 

wana bet a mer shield ? xD

 

 

lies!

 

anyway, change ur avataar 2 a bunny lol

[foefoe 0]

Take it outside ladies. Lets here some info on the topic plz. the ppl need to be heard!!

[armin 0]

IMO always been like that, so, u r the one that when elvine is huntin chugs the HP slate and runs arround, tho i think u never got a drop.. Stealin abby drops from an enemy town is a skill to me, so live with it. Its a game, and u CAN do it. ;)

[Exec 0]

im lazy to read all the previous post before

 

ill give my honest opionion:

 

 

stop whining, if u get abby drop stolen, its either becouse u are too noob to kill the thiefs, or becouse u guys are just too slow ,being "20+" ppl hunting, to fill all the drop spots, so live with it...u got tons of ways, gettinga all drop spots, boxing thief if he used hp slate, blocking bridge, goddamit lol... at least in the elv abby hunts i ve been we never got drop stolen, i wonder why is that...

Edited March 10, 2010 by Exec

[MagicJoKer 0]

only suggestion id might have, is decrease time of force recall from 5 minutes to 2 or 3, that is more than enough time to log back, and blocking bridge, u can kill ppl inside, or make them get forced, 5 minutes is way too long time to wait for a logger

[foefoe 0]

im lazy to read all the previous post before

 

ill give my honest opionion:

 

 

stop whining, if u get abby drop stolen, its either becouse u are too noob to kill the thiefs, or becouse u guys are just too slow ,being "20+" ppl hunting, to fill all the drop spots, so live with it...u got tons of ways, gettinga all drop spots, boxing thief if he used hp slate, blocking bridge, goddamit lol... at least in the elv abby hunts i ve been we never got drop stolen, i wonder why is that...

 

lol u suck. i stole a drop 3 weeks ago. i had my pick of the entire abby to stand on. And there was nothing anyone could do about it. IMO thats BS shoudlnt be like that. But since elvs do it i try to even the field whenever i can. If i would have gotten Xneck from that drop, u and Juli would be singing a diff song. And btw i would like to see some ares point of view, ofc u elvs wanna keep stealing items without having to work at it.Its what a thief would want.

[Stang 0]

im lazy to read all the previous post before

 

ill give my honest opionion:

 

 

stop whining, if u get abby drop stolen, its either becouse u are too noob to kill the thiefs, or becouse u guys are just too slow ,being "20+" ppl hunting, to fill all the drop spots, so live with it...u got tons of ways, gettinga all drop spots, boxing thief if he used hp slate, blocking bridge, goddamit lol... at least in the elv abby hunts i ve been we never got drop stolen, i wonder why is that...

 

what is boxing the theft gonna do?????

 

 

Hp slate last 30 mins, you get force recaled after abby dies in 10 mins. Box him and do what?

[Exec 0]

i didnt whine becouse we had to camp u for 30 mins till slate was off, and the diff is when XR dropped we were 4 of us standing on drops, and was the first think we picked up, and we had a wall of koreans blocking bridge

 

as i said, get over it, idk if anything valuable was stolen, so far the best drop stolen i heard of was gold

[kennychl 0]

On Topic:

 

What about this - Only the town that cleared the most mobs in abby map will get the chance to kill abby.

/MonsterCount 1 (Aresden Killed: 100 Monst ; Elvine Killed: 150 Monst)

And hence, the other side of town (in this case the aresden) who cleared lesser one will forced recall and prohibited from entering the abby map.

 

But in addition, to make the boss hunting a more interesting one, some other monsters (maybe centaurus or magic orc) will also spawned around the abby in order to disturb the 'hunters'.

 

Since all the mobs are cleared, the town (in this case the elvine) must log mages to go inside the abby map. And at this time, the other town (the aresden) that cant make it into the abby map can still stop or kill or do whatever that will hurt the hunt at maps like maze or infernia or even procella, but not abby map itself. (A nice box or block at Ice bound or an ambush at maze)

 

EK's activity will still going (before and after abby spawn).

Players will be a lot more active (Coz we have to clear it more before the other side does)

No thief but yet not gonna be easy since there are other monsters spawn at the same time.

Increase players work rate.

Increase players strategies and skills.

 

Just my 2cents.

Edited March 10, 2010 by kennychl

[Iowa 0]

Ares got screwed on drops. Only blood rapier