khelben

Stick it out here Eldon the group here is about to hit a development cycle or has just started one they came up with a decent high end map adding in chromatic dragons. I have a feeling you will be seeing alot more out of these good folks. Me I kinda taking enough of a break for everything to change with what they come up with so when I come back I will be excited on what I see...

wow eldon from usa or from int? been So long I cant remember where I met ya.

thanks guys, oh and farjat I aint seen very many emails about the new stuff yet ;) still waiting for my double emailing lol.

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Giving it some serious thought the idea of being able to change towns has been a balancing act the admins have to worry about.... why not find a way to take the admins out of it. there would have to be two fundimental changes to the way things work in the towns before this can happen First a safe zone around the front door of the city hall Second the ability of the members of the other town to enter the enemy city hall. Then the city hall guy would have to offer the option to join town at a price. This price would be First 1 million gold second all eks the player have convert to Criminal points. Which means if the player was massive on the eking and got the full set from town they would wind up with what over 500 crim to deal with. Couple this with a sliding xp/level table aka if you drop below the required xp for a level you lose the level and stat points you assigned for that level... This can get costly for mages because if you lose int you lose spells. Now you get to keep the hero items you won but they cost you hp to wear them in town. the price of betrayal this is kinda a work in progress idea please someone take a spark from this and run with it and polish this diamond in a lump of coal... mayhap someone can tweek this so it sounds alot better. Run with it. dont slam it fix the suggestions til they work.

I miss my little ponies, :( I would love to see them return to the garden, since the unicorns were removed from the list Way too many canible plants have moved in.... can we please have unicorns spawn in gardens again even if it is very low rate of them like a pit of one with a limit of one size of the whole map... that would work.... that way there is always one unicorn to hunt... something like spot-mob-generator = 1 1 X:Y x:y ?? 1 the ?? be the code for the unicorns the X:Y be the top left most square players can stand on the map the x:y be the bottom right most square. this would make for one unicorn in the garden (not a whole herd) Tis not that much to ask for... :) also the bunnies and cats could be brought back to town this way by making their pit the whole town and limiting them to like 10 bunnies and 5 cats.

Ok farjat made the call, He wants to find ways to improve the server with out fruiting it. Things that need to be pointed out. 1.) Nemesis Has Real Sources Not Just Binaries This means with the Right coders there is nothing beyond this servers Reach. Most other servers that try to improve on the game Have to try and hack it into the already closed Binary files. Hence they get fruit fixes. Not real improvements. 2.) Other then Intenational Usa and Kor as far as can be told No other server out there is Hosted by a Hosting company with truly secure servers, in fact it can said that the core servers Int usa and Kor are not as secure as Nemesis is. and they are as farjat stated in the stranglehold of death, what is left on those servers are the die Hards like the core Players here. 3.) Real Pay to Play Servers like wow and EQ may act like they show indiffrence to what is said on the forums But that is far from the Truth, the Input from their players plants the seeds for every major change in a game. Some Flesh out their Ideas More Thier Ideas tend to vanish whole topics at a time. Then they appear as changes in the game. The servers that dont listen to their People Rot from the inside out and Die, Like UO or Ragnarok. With those things Pointed out Now the call for The first Of about 10 topics on fixing Helbreath to Launch it into the greats like Wow or Everquest while retaining the flavor of Helbreath. This topic is for suggestions to Skills Suggest ideas for new skills refine other peoples ideas Polish this topic enough that the admins start drooling over those ideas to the point they want to do it to improve the game. Again Nemesis has sources they have the ability and the coders able to do it And dont think for half a minute that they don't, If everyone with a forum account were to suggest a Skill we would have easly 10,657 Ideas figure taking out 20% for those who dont want to even try we still would have 8516 Ideas take out the 30% of the ideas that are more then broken aka not even possible to fix we would have still 5961 viable ideas. Now figure 80% of those left need major work you still have what 1192 Good Ideas of those you would have 10% of them be 119 outstanding Ideas bringing us down to about easly 25% being picked that is 30 Perfect Ideas. 30 New or massively improved skills would be a major draw for players.... So as of now the draw is open. For one month only.. Remember your not posting at this level to wow the admins you posting to wow your peers. 102 will be the thinning of the broken ideas 103 will be the seperation of the good ideas popular with the players 104 will be the outstanding ideas Impress the gms and 105 will be the perfect polished ideas ready for the admins. Expect 105 to vanish to the staff room when it closes and the posts leading up to the ones in 105 to vanish out of the older topics. I will save my posts on this til next weekend so please please get a jump on me. *note GO off topic it will be moved as a quote to this post and the original off topic post will be deleted you words will be seen but not on this post! http://helbreathnemesis.com/forum/index.ph...st&p=199504 Squall[GM] could you translate this for me please. Khelben the Warlock ------------------------ Traduccion: farjat comento que queria innovar cosas en el hb pero sin hacerlo fruta. Puntos a tener en cuenta: 1.) Nemesis tiene Sources verdaderos, no files pedorros bajados por ahi. Esto quiere decir que con los Programadores adecuados no hay limites a los cuales este server pueda llegar. La mayoria de los servers que tratan de innovar algo tienen que hacerlo sobre files marca acme tienen que "hackear" los archivos ya compilados y solo consiguen arreglos frutas y ninguna innovacion. 2.) Pocos servers mas alla del Int, Usa y Koreano es hosteado con un Host dedicado (una compania) con una seguridad de confianza, de hecho se podria decir que el nucleo de servers como el Int, Usa y Koreano no son tan seguros como el Nemesis en el tema de seguridad. Y estan como farjat ya ha mencionado casi muertos, los que quedan en ese server son los viciosos(en el buen sentido) como los que tenemos aca. 3.)Los servers pay to play (p2p) como el WOW y EQ tal vez parescan que muestren indiferencia hacia lo que se dicen en los foros pero eso es lejano a la realidad, La iniciativa de los players son la semilla de cada cambio en la jugabilidad de esos juegos. Los servidores que no escuchan a su gente/players/comunidad son los que terminan muriendo como paso con el UO o Ragnarok. Con estos puntos aclarados, podemos comenzar a tener los primeros 10 Topics sobre arreglar/innovar Helbreath para hacerlo tan bueno e impresionante como el WOW or EverQuest pero con la escencia del Helbreath. Este topic es para hacer sugerencia hacia los SKILLS. Sugieran ideas para nuevos skills, tantas buenas ideas que hagan babear a los Admin del nemesis y los lleven a mejorar el juego. De nuevo, Nemesis tiene los Sources, la habilidad y los programadores capaces de hacerlo y no piensen ni por medio minuto que no es asi. Si cada uno con una cuanta en el foro sugiera un Skill, tendriamos al menos 10,657 ideas , calcules que saquemos el 20% de las ideas que no nos gusten y aun tendriamos 8516 ideas... ahora saquen el 30% de las ideas que no sean posible de realizar y aun tendriamos 5961 de ideas posibles/viables/potables. Ahora calculen que no tengamos en cuenta el 80% de esas ideas porque requieran un trabajo muy tedioso, aun tendriamos unas 1192 de buenas ideas de las cuales uds tendrian en cuenta un 10% quedando 119 de posibles ideas... de las cuales podemos elejir un 25% de ideas que nos darian 30 ideas PERFECTAS. Entonces, desde ahora las sugerencias son bienvenidas. Solo por un mes. Recuerden que no estan posteando ideas para deslumbrar a los ADMINs, sino para deslumbrar a tus pares (players)102 will be the thinning of the broken ideas (Los siguientes N? son los que les pone a los topic) 103 va a ser la separacion de las buenas ideas y populares entre los players. 104 va a ser las ideas que impresionen a los GMs 105 va a ser las ideas pulidas listas para lso admins. 105 desaparecera y Se movera a la seccion privada del Staff cuando cerremos ese Topic. Las ideas que esten mejor posicionadas que las que estan en 105 seran movidas hacia esta. *No spammen ni se vayan off-topic con sus posts. Esos posts seran movidas como "quote" al topic identico a este pero con todos los comentarios Off-topic http://helbreathnemesis.com/forum/index.ph...st&p=199504 Khelben the Warlock Translated by Lion[GM]

****Even if these spells place or win pass the reward down the chain to 2nd and 3rd or so on. ***** me thinks it is almost time to break out the 3rd edition spell books and see what could translate into a game cleanly (oh wait that has been done by every other rpg out there) Point to Point teleport. (Bamf) Source: Slide spell (ad&d) circle 5. cost 50 sp int 100 click spell click target spot, if spot is a ligit square you bamf. perfect spell for getting out of the gardeners trap and breaking the agro of a monster train. Point to No point Transfer (poof) Source: Fly wing (ragnarok) Spell level 4 cost 25 int 50 Click spell and poof your in another location on the same map random set point location. great for breaking garden wall and the agro of monsters. the poof points are already set on most maps as waypoint locations this is just a spell that harnesses them. there I even quoted sources so no one could comeback with the ohhh that is this from this game. Come on folks the Idea is what would make Helbreath Nemesis Better, and if it is a spell that has been done before else where so what if it is done right here then it is something that can only add to the flavor that is nemesis. And not everyone got to play on some of the places some of these spells came from before those places had vanished. So a couple of these ideas could be honestly fresh. (heck I know one of those spells listed above is a remake of one of the spells I myself created for an earlier contest back on neme1 but then the neme1 forums are either picked over or preferely gone by now so let it stand as that persons new idea.) by the Tussin DM works great on those nasty coughs.

I dont mind the past being burried and lost I say delete it. Make room for new ideas. figure the old junk had been already pursed and if it was to be used it would already be done.

::Breaks Radio Silence:: ok under the current set up the gold jumped directly in proportion because the xp jumped the shark. Players have a distinct love for the xp so dinking with the gold could effect the the xp and other drops which would be a bad thing... so lowering gold would have drastic effects and side effects (remembers when ogres in Nem 1 would drop one gold and how twisted the drop tests became going in and out of test mode to fix the tables.) So here we are with the problem of no one wants to use gold because it is all but worthless. A unilateral price raise of 25x might sink a little gold out of the stock pilers but not much considering they already have all their spells and their dk gear. The ones who get hurt the most with that are those who are influxing into the game who have no stockpiles. Again another bad solution witch would be a knee jerk fruit answer. Now giving it some thought there are somethings that could make a market adjustment for example. Big Red and Big Blue pots do need to go up at least x15 maybe x20 this would be a start on bringing the gold back inline, the other items would need to be looked at hard for adjustment. mayhap the skill manuels x25 the dilution potion and magic resist manuel would need it also. The Dyes and the clothes and the below goldie armor do not I repeat do not need to be touched. same for all weapons under the level of the flam or the two handed battle axe need to be left alone also... Anything with Knight or wizard does need the price bump. The spells above say circle 4 would need at least a 10x bump. Repairs need a major bump aka maybe 30x this would start to sink out those who have the warehoused gold... But these price bumps really so hurt the newbies ... not, there is something the newbies do that the oldies dont they try their hands at money making skills, so make the sale price of fish fruit and stones be worth say 20x what they are now. Notice the tools to use these skills did not bump only the skill scrolls did. That alone would start gold going the right direction but not enough to make it worth what it needs. The problem is the storehouses, those with the gold would start sharking the newbies and that is not going to help anything. so how to handle those with all the gold. a.> Wipe the gold (YUCKY YUCKY BOO HISS HISS he did not just say that did he). Problem is a gold wipe pisses people off in very bad ways. B.> Gold sinks. Difficult to do but worth the time and investment. In the place I have moved on to I have found a class of char that is a pure money sink, this class of char has a skill that they can dump 100,000 gold for 1,000 points of damage (in helbreath that would be an ek instant so it would need to be adjusted properly where I am the monsters easly have 300k hp.) A spell that would do the damage of blizzard but instead of eating mp would eat gold out of the bag at 5 gold per point of damage would be nice. (btw if the spell contest is still on feel free to steal this idea from me) Another gold sink would be enchanted arrows like the posion arrows that were never developed but show up in the graphics... at a cost of 1k per arrow this one weapon would change the whole layout of the game... and talk about a sink for warriors. Then there is fancy two toned clothes, something that would defently be a sink with out effecting play. First time you dye them one part changes then second dye changes the second part third dye dyes the first part again and so on. Think of the rush of people buying two toned clothes to look cool for the afk crowds in the shops. the two toned clothes could sale for 50x regular one toned clothes. can we say SINK. Also a shopkeeper who does other things like say sex change, hair change, skin tan/bleech, and hair dye. at 10k per change per change. (can be costly if you want green hair and are at red which means going round the color wheel.) SINK just a start of constructive ideas on how to fix this thing with the gold values. BTW Farjat check your hotmail email sometime I sent you a suggestion that may fix your tutorial idea (in all modes of speak you want.) As for where I went a couple people found me and I asked them no to tell. and farjat knows becuase I emailed him. But come on people give the bossman here some feedback and ideas tis the only way he is going to get things done, Stateing a problem with out suggesting a fix is just bitching and how many are bitching and how many are looking to fix.

Just a question here to play devils alvicado here for a bit, All of the arguement comes from how BBH works, one thing to think about is the bbh is the one trick pony of the warrior like Blizzard is the one trick pony of the mage. What is so funny is I see a very heated argument about NERFing the BBH since the DK set Got Nerfed or UNNERFing the dk set which would mean only thing that could get through it is the blizzard. I garontee you King if some one were to say NERF blizzard you would be on the front lines screaming No no no. Stop and think about it.... How many mages know their full arsonel of spells much less how all their spells work together with their other skills. Maybe a handful at best. all the rest are para/bliz and that is all they know. I personaly am all for Gank both BBH and Blizzard and see what takes its place as the top weapon and top spell, or would we duh duh dum wind up with diverstity amoung players. welp back to my stairs

hmm two diffrent types of grapes.... mash them and make wine.... unforntunalty I dont think the formula is implemented into the alchemistry table to do it. ask jaap he could tell you if it is.

you cant walk though a seed and they take alot of a bit to kill why hasnt anyone tried this tactic yet 1) see big bad enemy in town 2) lure enemy to land you can farm on 3) para him 4) surround him with seeds which would box the guy in. 5)pfa or let his pfm run out 6) unleash magical heck on him...

Should I stay or should I go now? ?Yo me frio o lo sophlo? The Trill is gone. I have Finally got my fill of the worlds of Helbreath. To me I feel there is no More secrets to be seen no more truths to uncover No more riddles to find. A while back Ago I listed the personality types that play games Socialite - One who comes just because they feel comfortable around those who they play with and use the game more as a way to comunicate... I never was one of those types... Killer - One who comes to raise hell for others. Usualy by living for the PK or EK of it. Again Nothing for me here (this task would be way too easy to try it) Adventurer - One who is goal driven to hit end game That paticular thrill in Helbreath for me ended long ago... Infact I went so far as to push for the opisiate end of that and see how much I could do at the lower levels and stay lower level doing it. and Finaly Explorer. One who digs for secrets and trys to find out everything they can... Helbreath no longer has any secrets for me... I perso*spam*y do not forsee anything truely New Here or on any helbreath server be it pay to play or free to play. Inovation and creation are flavor but this games goose is cooked and it is dry and bland (the whole title not just nemesis) Sad thing is the game died long before the valaint efforts of Good people like Farjat or Sexybitch made any attempt at keeping it alive. I have decided to move on finaly.... If anyone happends to see any of my more common names in other games ask if it is me who knows might just be. Khelben Khelben H. Vasq Bloodtears Reyes Lord_Pain Dr_who Holy_Diver Warlock Bloodcry KhVasq I will not be telling anyone from nemesis where I went on the net I see that as a betrayal by drawing players from a great private server. But I do not disparage those who find me on their own. TO helbreath in whole Thanks for the memories, and the laughs and remember to try to think around those corners while you can. Avoir Goodbye.... as for my characters Qua has possesion of my Log in and password dont know if she will stay when I am gone but I hope she does for a while and makes some good friends. Khelben PS Farjat since your giving out bans so frequently now Please put my Ip on the ban list. For both forum and game so I can not return. LOL hold on I think I may be able to do it to myself if I dont then please do it for me.

cranked up my gamboy ds and played ff3 until I got board then the game was back up

sick thing is there is no spell to poof the seeds only way to get rid of seeds is let them time or GROW them out 100% farming with amp would be only escape from that doh there is another must have skill ::Evil::

YEAS YES OUI SI SI SI YEAH someone did it!!!!! http://helbreathnemesis.com/forum/index.ph...c=17815&hl=

I SO want to see this video if this is what I belive it is I taught Sky[GM] the farm trick and taught Kingsblend the trick and they were suppose to make a video of it

Think qua farjat answered what happended nicely... And I do understand rumor control and that was what was happening. well this matter has been beat like a dead horse time to move on.

Points I see from my point of view, Yes he stole the files Yes that is wrong Yes this guy was a coder for HBII in its day. Memory serves and I will admit it I looked at HB II real hard due to it having inovations I liked seeing in a game, the only thing that encouraged me to stay with Nemesis was that Nemesis was stable where HBII went down more then a Recurit in basic training. Aside from the Breif life of HBII I am worried about the Betrayal of trust this gentalman showed. Farjat I just have two questions 1. does he have staffroom access, (if so can you remove twisted infinity to a protected spot since I can not get in there to update it since the password change with what I have over here) 2. Did your private files have a copy of the User passwords from nem1 or nem2 if so could you tell us so we all can cycle our passwords, OH HECK everyone cycle anyways. As for Jaap on staff I would say let him send you his fix ideas get someone else to go over them looking for bugaboos (like Megatron-GM if you can still reach him) test them privately and then if they work good include them and give him the Credit for the changes. As for him flooding the private servers with Nemesis code All the better to get the broken Snoopy code out of the way. Secondly even if they have nemesis code none will be hosted as securely or as stable as nemesis, something for anyone who looks and says ohh ah, I wanta go, remember most everyone of them will be fruit and flyby night. And haveing the source out there may revitalize the interest in the game in ways that we never thought of... After all the race to develop better content will now be on. On a personal note, I do think how he went about getting the source was wrong. (though now I so wish I could get a clean copy to start seriously tinkering LOL) As always In the Shadows Khelben

I will see what I can craft up for this to post....

Great to have Argenlandia Back where it Belongs at NEMESIS Wb the whole lot of ye...

hmm if only there was a way to trigger it with a map change instead of a whole reload... after all doesnt it need to redraw the screen when you change certian maps? but then reloading after clicking button to enfect the change that would also work...

Farjat hold a contest for people to design skins then the top 5 program them into the control panel on the f12 key in the slot that says game tip since that option does not get used (could allow you to cycle though all five skins) Serioulsy a toggle skin button could work and it cuts down on the gripes then next year you can hold a second contest to see if anyone can top the ones already programed.

Well Here is a shot at trying to do a fix that would increase players exploring maps QUEST for the the pieces. Use the simple Cordinate Quest system The city hall guy could say something like, "I have been hearing strange tales of Monsters in the area <insert Map> around <insert cords> Could you go check it out I could Reward you with this <insert DK item> " That way the players learn the maps a little better and also get their Choice of DK items (also sets up a way to introduce other DK items) with out making it hard for a lv 180 to go get their armor looking at the quest coding that would be simpler then trying to get a command like /dkset or an automatic trigger working. Plus you could have it like for an elvine go to silent woods for your helm go to durican city for your plate, go to death valley for your hat, go to d2 for your burk, go to toh3 for your sword, and so on. This way players could get a better education on where things are get the set parts they want and everyone is happy. and since it ties into the 180 quest tree those who already have sets can get the pieces they are missing so less gripes there and again if you were to release new dk items like dk kite shield or dk Axe that would make the draw even bigger for people to take the quests. Just a suggestion for you to consider farjat.