Solini

Dude I have understand how it works from the begining, except with the fireball test I didn't realize the percentage... I do now. And I was not convinced on the melee crit part, I am now cause I retested that. You guys are not trying to explain me anything, you are just trying to convince GM's that Kloness Wand should not be made a little bit better. Because apparently you think a super rare item, shouldn't be worth its rarity (as in being atleast better then regular items). I Offtopic yes I know. Thats what you get when you try making a fool of someone in public. Action --> reaction. You changed this post in this direction That is why the topic continue's, not because of trying to explain to me how it works. You are really the kind of person I dislike, so arragont and full of yourself. Acting like you are an authority, and speaking for others as if they all feel the same as you. Bah.... I hope for you and the people arround you, that you aren't like that in reallife. I am going to stay out of this topic from now on. I have made my request for consideration to the GM's and I would really like to show the GM's how dissapointing the damage of blizz is on people with positive rep. (which most ppl have). This makes the Kloness wand's only advantage that it does good crit damage when you are zerked) and maybe slightly better magic damage only when enemy has 100 or more negative rep and the user has 1000 rep. Those are facts, some might find it perfect like that, and some don't. As you can see in the topic, there are also people that agree the Kloness wand is a laugher... Thanks again to people that acted adult in this topic having a normal discussion. Have a nice day, Solini p.s. I suggest a GM or forum admin closes this topic. Enough has been said about the topic, and it is tending to go to much offtopic / fighting now.

well ur logic is wrong zwand adds 30% dmg if fireball does 20 dmg its 20+ .3(20) 26.. on dk 15, it would be 35.. Now with bliz , if dmg is 90 dk 15 wuold do 105 zwand would do 90 + (.3)90 117.. the bigger the dmg, the more difference zwand does in low lvl spells dk 15 is better than zwand ( just so u know) Much to learn you still ahve my young padawan Point proven, moha is correct here. Greater damage makes greater bonus for z-wand. Aah yes I get that now :P Didn't realize the percentage for a minute. On a side note.... It is probably your kind of humor, but to me, saying that I still have much to learn (because I didn't realize the percentage thing) and especially saying that I am your young padawan is a bit arogant tho :rolleyes: It probably makes yourself feel cool :lol: Very big chance that I am older then you btw hehe.. In the mean time I did some more testing using the Kwand melee, and I do have to admit for crits it is better then the DK15 wand. Especially when zerked. I need to apologize on that part. I did test before and then I didn't see a big difference then, now I do. Dunno why. Magical wise, I still stand my point and opinion.. It is perhaps slightly better on people with 100 or more negative rep, but on someone with postive rep, a blizz with DK15 does more damage. And I think it should really ATLEAST do a LITTLE bit better then DK15 wand even on ppl with postive rep. Considering it is ms20 and you need to get 1500 rep. Hope Farjat still considers making it JUST A TINY LITTLE BIT BETTER atleast :mellow: Goodnight. Solini

You are right... My apology. It is just that I am so dissapointed with how it is now....... And I just don't believe it was supposed to be like this... To my believe, the creators of helbreath brought kloness wand in game when there where no Dragon wands yet.. They brought it in game as a powerfull weapon (if you realize the DK wands wherent there yet). Then they brought in the DK wands and just never adjusted K wand to still be worth its rarity (I am wonder what HB Int has done with Kloness wand damage btw). Anyway I do need to thank all of you that participated in the discussion, and gave their opinions.. I suggest we meet in game later today, and we do some simple pratical tests... Like I do 10 times a fireball on you with DK15 wand, and you write down damage total. Then I do 10 times fireball with kloness wand and we calculate the total damage it did. Then I can crit you with DK15 wand and with kloness wand, and we calculate the total damage of 8 crits. Something like that. Wrong again, difference is on those servers dk 15 takes 30x times the effort or more fireball test is pointless u would do alot more dmg on dk 15 than zerkwand that way too Please, tell me then, what would be a good test? I don't see why such a test wouldn't be realistic in showing the damage. Doing it with blizz or with fireball, no difference in my logic.. Whatever test I would really like to do it with a GM to prove my point.

You are right... My apology. It is just that I am so dissapointed with how it is now....... And I just don't believe it was supposed to be like this... To my believe, the creators of helbreath brought kloness wand in game when there where no Dragon wands yet.. They brought it in game as a powerfull weapon (if you realize the DK wands wherent there yet). Then they brought in the DK wands and just never adjusted K wand to still be worth its rarity (I am wonder what HB Int has done with Kloness wand damage btw). Anyway I do need to thank all of you that participated in the discussion, and gave their opinions.. I suggest we meet in game later today, and we do some simple pratical tests... Like I do 10 times a fireball on you with DK15 wand, and you write down damage total. Then I do 10 times fireball with kloness wand and we calculate the total damage it did. Then I can crit you with DK15 wand and with kloness wand, and we calculate the total damage of 8 crits. Something like that.

Dude, PLEASE FFS, believe me... I am not talking crap.... please meet me ingame tomorrow, come BI and let me show/prove you. I am getting so tired of the need to confince ppl.... sigh

Again...... I don't want it to be a godly item... I never said (as you pretend I did) that it should be the best weapon. And I am really starting to get sick of people that twist my words... You are not being objective at all. You just don't want it to be a little bit better cause you don't have it.. but if you think really about the purpose of rare items, you know better... I am sure. It doesn't need to be better then Zerk wand (even though this is argueable). In my homble opinion, it just should be atleast a little bit better then a regular DK wand.. thats all! Don't make such a huge thing of it, bringing in all other kinds of items and spells that can't be compared to the K wand story.... Yes I am a Kloness wand user, and I come asking for consideration of GM's about the use of kloness wand. I'll tell you why, I do now experience myself how it is... thats why I bring up the topic... Most people never used a Kloness wand on Helbreath Nemesis, and so they don't know how bad it is.. Still they come here and talk like they know everything about it... If they would have it themselves they would possibly come here and start a topic about how useless this "rare" item is. Its not because I want to make myself more powerfull, its because I can't believe the Kloness wand was ment to be this weak. The Kloness wand was brought into the game before they started with the DK wands, and the Kloness wand has simply never been adjusted to stay worth its "rarity". An item is called rare (only a few in game) because it is powerfull, and if to many ppl would have it, it would make an unbalance in game.. Really rare items are, Merien Shield, X neck, X ring, Zerk Wand, Kloness Wand ( and some more ofcourse). The only rare item in this list that takes an effort to make it "powerfull" (not the case now) is the Kloness wand, you need to get a lot of rep for it... Still it is the worst item.. Also in melee people, believe me... really it isn't much better then a DK15 wand.... Only when you zerk yourself maybe yes... About you starting to compare blizz with mass fire strike and stuff, really please don't bring that kind of shit in this topic... its about Kloness wand only... And besides comparing those two spells is just stupid... there are many more factors with those spells to take into account (like mana usage of spell and needed int and then yes damage) And once more... some of you people really overreact on improving a rare item a little bit that as of now is useless... Don't worry GM's here are never going to make it GODLY... you can trust the Nemesis crew on that... jezus...

That's how rare it is. I remember you winning that wand. Why do you think it's been traded what? 10 times allready? Cus it does NOT do the job! Heck i was in FoxHound with you back then. I remember you saying how much it suckd. You were just AFKing in WH with it lal. lol ?? i had zwand 1 month ago , now its gone, trading an item doenst make it a better or worse item, kblade was traded as much as wand , who cares? its superior to dk 15.. but It is inferior to zwand, like its supposed to be, Hey Maynard :-) que tal :D Anyway, comeone you know its not better then dk15 wand...... (magic damage wise).. WhiteFang clearly stated the figures from source code, you simply can't argue with those, and these prove that it isn't better then DK15 wand... It is worse then DK15 wand, and it is also ms20.. So really worse... Why few of you people are against upgrading the kloness wand a little bit to make it atleast better then DK15 wand??? Do you really think it is ment to be a rare item that doesn't even surpress a DK15 wand?? Why is it even rare then??? Don't worry... it doesn't need to better then Z wand, or maybe it does (knowing it is more rare then Z wand) but atleast it should be better then DK15 wand.... Why are you so against that? only 2 or 3 ppl have kloness wand, maybe 1 active player. It wont effect the game much.. And bringing in al other rare items is kind of nonsense.. Bloodaxe, bloodsword are good. Good hitting prob. Doesn't need improvement.. And this topic is only about Kloness wand. Buenos noches loco.

A slightly increase on the weapons for player's own rep would be good, increase to +15 max would be a nice addition. A major increase on the k-neck for enemy's negative rep to +10 would be nice, eventually add a bonus for player's own rep as k-items have, but with a lower limit then k-weapons. About the rep subject: They're being afk, rep takes 1h, unless they time it (which takes effort) to gain their rep exactly every hour, making sure the one you rep is in the same map server, it takes effort, so I think diserved to be repped. The other parts or issues regarding to rep, such as rep-abuse and making tons of new chars to rep, will all be solved on next update. I seriously hope you make the max atleast +20 damage... if you make it +15 it is still not worth to use the wand if you have a DK15 wand. As really in most cases enemy has postive rep. Please consider atleast +20 max :-( Remember it is also just ms20, and to get this damage you need to first get really good rep.... If it is just +15 max from positive rep, and knowing that most ppl do have postive rep, it will be the same damage as DK15 wand but then its ms20.... It is a rare item, changing this to max of +25 from postive rep wouldn't have a huge impact... it wouldn't be as good as Beserk wand, and there are maybe 2 or 3 of these wands in game.. It isn't like everyone is using it.... But please dont get me wrong, I am very happy to see you are going to improve it a little bit. Many thanks for that. It is just such a small improvement that I think it wont even be noticeable (still being same as DK15 wand).

No, max +15 then. (Same as DK15 wand, sigh).. and this only if enemy has bad rep, and in most cases ppl have good rep... if enemy good rep, max +5 damage no?

Ok fine. I don't see what you are trying to accomplish with this, but thanks. White and Jing think something different. Thats not the point. The point is still the same, which is that in my homble opinion as it is now the Kloness wand is not worth its rarity. It is worse then a DK15 wand. And therefor I put this request of consideration. You don't need to put more information, my request is clear, GM's will hopefully discuss this together and make a decision wether they will make the kloness wand a slightly more worth its rarity or not, and I will have to accept whatever they decide.

Yes ofcourse I have seen this post before I started this topic.. If you look at the 10th post in that topic you will see WhiteFang clearing up some slight mistakes in Jaapy's posts. But that was quite some time ago and as WhiteFang said, he has tested it with his GM char having 10000 rep. And he is sure that it is not +100 damage. So you are bringing up an old post with incorrect information assuming I didn't read that yet I guess... This only brings more confusion.... So ppl the link that he posted has incorrect information. Don't base your oppinion on that information please.. Thanks.

Yes that's what I thougt to, and that's why I got my hands on it. But if you would have ead the whole posg you would knoww it does in fact not work as written on Portal. You can see what WhitFang GM wrote about it. What I wrote is same as what's on the portal, but in different words. The basic +5 you get from rep < 500 I just defined as "deals +5 damage", even if your rep is negative, it deals the +5. The second one, you wrote wrongly in your topic, 500 rep = +0 dmg -> 600 rep = +1 -> 700 = +2 ... 1k = +5, add up the +5 from the firstone and you get: 500 rep = +5 -> 600 rep = +6 ... 1k = +10 Portal just doesn't talk about a limit, I explained in a prev post why it doesn't, because i'm not sure what's nemesis setting. I've tested using my GM with 10k rep, I don't deal +100 damage, which I actually expected to do so. P.S. What the portal writes, is what I say, I maintain the portal, my knowledge is the portal's knowledge ;) But you also wrote that it is +1 damage with a. Max of +5 for every 20 negative rep of enemy. Which is different then portal. :o

Yes that's what I thougt to, and that's why I got my hands on it. But if you would have ead the whole posg you would knoww it does in fact not work as written on Portal. You can see what WhitFang GM wrote about it.

Please no crap posts... (about crying and being noob) Noob or not, testing and comparing damage is easy. The facts are as they are.

* Yes you can use on any char, but only with rep above 1000 and enemy having -100 rep, will still only make same damage as DK15 * Making criticals with it??? I think you saw that on other server... Because even if you the user has really high rep and the enemy has low rep, it will never do more damage then DK15 wand (see WhiteFangs post). And I never saw a Critical of a DK15 wand blizz. So I think you confuse with other server then Nemesis * Zerked damage melee, its not that good... DK15 wand does better for sure. I think a rep7 wand does more damage. For sure an ancient rep7 short sword * The chance is very small you also get a K neck....................