~farjat 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 OK this is actually the most difficult situation i have in all my Helbreath Life. Years have passed and Nemesis is Stronger than never. We have the dreamed comunity, very stable files close to perfection. A wonderfull, fair and Dedicated staff. What else a Helbreath Player can ask? Good Ping, that is the answer. Nemesis serrver population have around 25% Argentinians. They play anyway with 190 ping. But our 25% is just a 5% of the argentinian Helbreath players around. And our 25% is not fixed ppl. is always rotating people. This is why, Nemesis is going for the Full Argentinian Market. And the way, is ping. Theres a very high chance Nemesis is opening a 2nd Server, hosted in Argentina. Arranges are made. I have the host already. The files are Ready. The Images are ready. The Staff is Ready. I have a VERY BIG and Expensive Advertising Campaign waiting for my OK. But i am not an ignorant. I know Nemesis Argentina can make Damage to Nemesis International and this is why i am posting here and now. I have studied some facts and i came to a conclusion which i want to share here and listen to people to showing me facts i didnt saw. Facts: Once heat arrives in argentina (this month) Argentina ppl will leave nemesis international, as always... Nemesis international will loose 30 ppl average because Argentinian, average we increased this month due to some Args/spain ppl return. Pr0s: Nemesis today holds 160 average. which will go down to 130 BUT we will have a 2nd server with 300. Argentinian market is EASY for me to get NEW blood. As i own one of biggest newspapers in Argentina its easy and Cheaper for me to Advertice with my contacts for new blood. RPGs didnt explote on argentina yet, this is the right moment. Making Argentina Server will DESTROY most of other private servers as 80% of them are argentinian. 2 servers, but forum+portal Integration will make us GIANT Against: The damage on average it will cause to Nemesis International can be more than calculated. Loosing Money. (as all investment theres a risk) If the damage to international is Big, I will never Forgive Myself and will need therapy. Ping tests i made: The host is Argentinian, i do have 25 ns ping to it and i am 1000km away from Buenos Aires (im close to Brasil and Paraguay) I have 190ns at Nemesis international. Ping from Mexico to USA Host is 70. to Argentinian is 250+ (ty MaynarD) Ping from Brasil to Argentina host, is 250 also (so Int will keep BRs) Ping from Chile to USA is 180, to Argentina is 60. (int never got chileans anyway). If u guys want to know your ping to Argentina host, just "ping www.patan.com.ar -t" and post the results here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Plan: Helbreath Nemesis International Staff OF COURSE will be able to log GMs on Argentinian Server. I asked Squall[GM]/elguason if he wants Head GM position. (he seems not to like the idea and suggested Pya) The server actually, is ready to open tomorrow (not yet dw) My plan is to open like 2 weeks Server Test, i know files are tested. The test is Basically for 2 things: 1) Needs to see the Damage on International Server Average 2) Needs to see if the Host can deal with lots of players. If any of this 2 conditions isnt good result, I WILL NOT OPENING IT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADUCCION AL ESPA?OL Bueno actualmente esta es la situacion mas dificil que tuve en toda mi vida de Helbreath. Los a?os pasaron y Nemesis es mas fuerte que nunca.Tenemos la comunidad so?ada, archivos muy estables cerca de la perfeccion. Un espectacular, justo y dedicado STAFF. que mas puede pedir un jugador de Helbreath? Un buen Ping, esa es la respuesta. La poblacion del servidor de Nemesis es de un 25% Argentinos. Juegan de todas maneras con un ping de 190 o mas. Pero nuestro 25% es solo el 5% de los jugadores de Helbreath argentinos alrededor. Y nuestro 25% no es de gente estable, es de gente rotativa. Estos es porque Nemesis va por el comercio Argentino en su totalidad. Y el porque es el ping. Es una posiblidad muy alta que Nemesis este abriendo un segundo servidor, hosteado en Argentina. Los arreglos estan hechos. Tengo el host ya. Los archivos estan listos. Las imagenes estan listas. El STAFF esta listo. Tengo una publicidad MUY GRANDE y Cara campa?a esperando mi OK. Pero no soy un ignorante. Se que Nemesis Argentina puede hacer da?o a Nemesis Internacional y esta es la razon por la que estoy posteando aca y ahora. Eh estudiado algunos hechos y llegue a la conclusion que es la que quiero compartir aca y escuchar a la gente mostrandome los hechos que yo no pude ver. Hechos: Una vez el golpe de calor llegue en argentina (este mes) la gente de argentina va a dejar nemesis internacional, obviamente.... Nemesis internacional va a perder unas 30 personas promedio por los argentinos, los in argentina (this month) Argentina ppl will leave nemesis international, as always... Nemesis international will loose 30 ppl average because Argentinian, promedio que se incremento este mes debido a algunos regresos de Args/Espa?oles. Los Pr0s: Hoy Nemesis mantiene un promedio de 160. Que va a bajar a 130 PERO vamos a tener un segundo servidor con 300. El mercado Argentino es FACIL para mi para conseguir sangre nueva. Ya que pertenezco a uno de los diarios mas grandes de Argentina es barato y facil para mi hacer publicidad con mis contactos por sangre nueva. Los RPGs no han explotado en argentina todavia, este es el momento exacto. Haciendo que el servidor de argentina destruya otros servers privados ya que el 80% de ellos son argentinos. 2 servers, pero la integracion de foro mas el portal nos va a hacer GIGANTES Contras: El da?o promedio que esto producira en Nemesis Internacional puede ser mayor al calculado. Perder dinero (como toda inversion de riesgo) Si el da?o al internacional es grande, nunca me voy a perdonar en mi vida y voy a necesitar de terapia. Plan: El STAFF de Helbreath Nemesis Internacional por su puesto podra logearse como GM’s en el servidor Argentino. Les pregunte a Squall[GM]/elguason si querian unirse a la cabeza de los GMS ( parece que no les gusto la idea y sugirieron a Pya) El servidador esta listo como para abrir ma?ana (no todavia dw) Mi plan es abrirlo como en 2 semanas, para un Test. Se que los archivos ya fueron testeados. El test es basicamente para 2 cosas: 1)Ver el da?o promedio al server internacional 2)Ver si el host puede soportar la cantidad de jugadores Si alguna de estas dos condiciones no tiene buen resultado, NO LO VOY A ABRIR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trulala 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 basicamente matas la noche en el int......ya que elvin es argentino...pero bue, el agite que va haber en el arg va ser desquicio..... edit: va pasar lo mismo que en el pricipio del 2....que quedaron 30 como mucho..... igual con tu humor no se cuant va durar el arg, el jugador arg es bardero , hincha pelota y siempre queriendo cagar al otro...sino fijate el foro fenix o el ya extinto hb arg...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SheGM 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 Interesante :o :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~farjat 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 basicamente matas la noche en el int......ya que elvin es argentino...pero bue, el agite que va haber en el arg va ser desquicio..... me encanta que digan el int. jajajajaja Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
armin 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 Roger, Arg lets move on.. pd avisa si necesitas ayuda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eldon 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 I think it's a good idea, give it a go. TBH if one starts to fail, you could just server merge :) Wouldn't th at be pro - 600 people on a server. As long as you give equal attention to both, that'd be a good plan farjat. Don't forget one over the other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lythium 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaucho 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 No es mala la idea pero como dice solo hace que el server internacional tenga tanto agite. Pensa que si todos los arg vamos a este server. Que de seguro lo hacemos nem int deja de tener gente en elv. Por mi mejor por que es lindo jugar de vez en cuando en un server que ande de 10 y no tenga pin :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Svafnir 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 Segun entendi, si yo decido pasarme al host Argentino, no podria logear en el internacional, no? (con el mismo char) O flashie que en algun lado pasaban los char files? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eldon 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 Two other comments: 1. If you run the server please run same drop rate etc as here, similar event prizes etc would be nice. 2. If INT fails because of this, please merge the two lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~farjat 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 I think it's a good idea, give it a go. TBH if one starts to fail, you could just server merge :) Wouldn't th at be pro - 600 people on a server. As long as you give equal attention to both, that'd be a good plan farjat. Don't forget one over the other. Theres lot of options for future, like merged events and things like that. or a same login for Both and shit like that yes. But having all in one isnt possible, like for example, hosting elvine at argentinian host...But where to host middleland, heldenian maps, hunt maps? we are on the same! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabe 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 la verdad no entendi un joraca, estaria lindo una buena traducion :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itachi 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 I play the Brazilian, my ping to the international nemesis and best ... for Argentina is bad :wub: C:\Documents and Settings\J?nior>ping www.helbreathnemesis.com -t Disparando contra www.helbreathnemesis.com [69.93.64.178] com 32 bytes de dados: Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=179ms TTL=117 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=175ms TTL=116 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=166ms TTL=116 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=247ms TTL=115 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=224ms TTL=117 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=238ms TTL=117 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=265ms TTL=116 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=216ms TTL=113 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=180ms TTL=116 Resposta de 69.93.64.178: bytes=32 tempo=241ms TTL=117 Estat?sticas do Ping para 69.93.64.178: Pacotes: Enviados = 10, Recebidos = 10, Perdidos = 0 (0% de perda), Aproximar um n?mero redondo de vezes em milissegundos: M?nimo = 166ms, M?ximo = 265ms, M?dia = 213ms Control-C ^C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C:\Documents and Settings\J?nior>ping -t www.patan.com.ar Disparando contra www.patan.com.ar [201.212.0.247] com 32 bytes de dados: Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=360ms TTL=114 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=367ms TTL=113 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=401ms TTL=114 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=356ms TTL=113 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=452ms TTL=113 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=383ms TTL=110 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=510ms TTL=114 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=484ms TTL=114 Resposta de 201.212.0.247: bytes=32 tempo=372ms TTL=110 Estat?sticas do Ping para 201.212.0.247: Pacotes: Enviados = 9, Recebidos = 9, Perdidos = 0 (0% de perda), Aproximar um n?mero redondo de vezes em milissegundos: M?nimo = 356ms, M?ximo = 510ms, M?dia = 409ms Control-C ^C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moha 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 wow i wasnt expecting this its scary I hope everything remains the same :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matias 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 alguien puede traducir? :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Solrav 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 In all honestly, im glad to see that the args might be leaving the server not in a racist hate kinda way but, they get way better ping then alot of us here and i think its very unfair to ppl with lesser connections. 2nd i also think that making a server based just for args could make or break a huge group of dedicated ppl that have been here for a very long time and devoted a LARGE amount of tie with thier friends as well as other etc. Could be very bad because, there are alot of ppl here there are not args as well, but i dont think the args u already have will be willing to move to the new server just for better ping with the items and advantage they have here on the original server. 2 years of time devoted to building a guiild, hunting for mass items, getting FH on chars, doesnt seem like something id give up just for better ping. The originality of Helbreath was to have a server with all diff kinds of ppl having all diff kinds of ping so theres going to be advantages and disadvantages. I've seen lots of servers break up because of decisions like this and fail horribly. Now im sure alot of you are going "YAY NO MORE ARGS" but the args here are what make this server fun and more competitive. Bad idea IMO just for ping and a few more players, but with more players comes more problems, more issues, more laming, more stealing, more hacking etc. Plus the player base you have here you have gotten to know and realize the kind of ppl they are. I think having friends > more players IMO, as it is very priceless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gamny 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 280-320 ping to the new arg server :/ from mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashley 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 This sounds good for all argentinians indeed. Hope you guys succeed. My ping to Neme is 140 and to arg is 290 :( . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaucho 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 La idea mas o menos es hacer un servidor argentino de nemesis. O sea mucho quilombo y lo unicoque lees en el chat global es pt noob fri ek y demas insultos. Calu no me parece mala idea solo que como sabes no hay mucho Argento civilizado y si pasas estas reglas que tenes aca seguramente el server queda vacio. Por que van a banear al 80% del server. Para lo que nesecites estamos. Chifla y te ayudaremos. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~elguason 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 Eldon:Will be a pain in the *censored* to merge 2 servers, because there will be same names, same accounts, etc And moving around 1000 chars manually is insane. --- I dont trust that host too much, (same than fenix) they used to have lag with some args too. My ping there is amazing, because that host works really good with Fibertel. I like the idea to kill the args private servers, and to take some players from Lux (chile). But those who plays fruit servers will stay at those fruit servers, they will not like Nemesis. (yes, we will take fenix ppls) It will harm neme int, there will be around 80 on no raid days and you will have to move an ares guild to elvine. Como te dije calu, anda haciendote la idea de la mala sangre que te vas a hacer. Sabes como son los players argentinos :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shers! 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 La onda seria que los pjs del nemesis int pasen al neme argentina ? para mi es buena idea, pero si o si tendrian que pasar 1 o 2 guilds ares a elvs..habria que probar nunca sabes si mucha gente argentina y de los exteriores entrara..vos sabes de eso farjat, por eso te apoyo en esta idea . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~farjat 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 I NEVER SAYD IM GONNA TRANSFER CHARACTERS!!! NEVER! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moha 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 empezaran de 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
~farjat 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 Eldon:Will be a pain in the *censored* to merge 2 servers, because there will be same names, same accounts, etc And moving around 1000 chars manually is insane. This is very easy to fix actually....but isnt the idea...maybe a future... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qba 0 Report post Posted August 27, 2009 the idea itself sounds pretty cool, at least for argentinians... anyway, there are few things which you forgot to take into consideration farjat. First of all, there's plenty of european players around and my ping to argentinian server (ping www.patan.com.ar -t) is around 400... i guess it makes most of the europeans unable to play HB Neme Argentina. Secondly, an Argentinian guild makes like 1/2 of elvine strength, as there are many people from this guild wandering around. Having them moved to Arg server would couse towns on Int to be unbalanced... Moreover, the amount of players online is just a number- the thing that count are the ACTIVE players at the moment... look at the Warehouses of both towns, shops, and count how many people are AFK every moment. Even losing 15 active players would couse a LOT of damage to International activity... Well, these are things that popped up into my mind... as i said, the idea itself is tempting, especially for argentinians, but running 2 servers simulatenously isn't an easy thing- I'm totally sure you're completly aware of it. You also have to remember that HB is an old game- let's be honest- it is. Some people may check HB, and say- '0mgz poor graphics, and im gettin owned everywhere, i'm too lazy to train skills, and heck these people who already played this game are soooo skilled, unlike me... FCK IT I QUIT.' Doesn't it sound familiar? :P It's totally up to you farjat, I hope that even if you decide to run Argentinian nemesis things aren't going to change... much. Long live International Neme ! ;) cheers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
