Helbreath Nemesis Hacked.

[Raquzz 0]

he can write all the code he wants

 

he shouldnt be rewarded in any way

 

he shouldnt be given a gm

 

he shouldnt be given any kind of access to server

 

If he would work with these requirements, I think we can give him a change.

[Skyas 0]

This situation sucks. I just cannot believe how he was trusted that much, the rest of the gms did not know about it at all (including Hunter). A mistake of forgetting those stuff?

 

Cause he is greedy and arrogant, he would deserve a big kick to his jaws. Win-Win situation to him would be that his ip was given to Romanian/Polish DDoSR's who could punch the life out of his cables and email address to viagra spammers.

Do ppl deserve 2nd chance? Yes after they start again from bottom. Let him create a new acc if he wants and changes ip. Ip bans should stay.

 

If he want's to give tips, Ok as long as:

No access is given.

No more source code stuff given

NO special threatment or status for him.

 

 

PS. If you see an apple in store shell, may you take it? Would you care if he is a good coder?

[Guest kay0]

This situation sucks. I just cannot believe how he was trusted that much, the rest of the gms did not know about it at all (including Hunter). A mistake of forgetting those stuff?

 

Cause he is greedy and arrogant, he would deserve a big kick to his jaws. Win-Win situation to him would be that his ip was given to Romanian/Polish DDoSR's who could punch the life out of his cables and email address to viagra spammers.

Do ppl deserve 2nd chance? Yes after they start again from bottom. Let him create a new acc if he wants and changes ip. Ip bans should stay.

 

If he want's to give tips, Ok as long as:

No access is given.

No more source code stuff given

NO special threatment or status for him.

 

 

PS. If you see an apple in store shell, may you take it? Would you care if he is a good coder?

 

:-)

[Synz 0]

Here's my take on this farjat.

 

The guy obviously has some programming skill, although being a little underhanded and violating a trust pact with the head of the server he wants to help(?).

 

I say you should give him the chance to try to help the server - unban his characters and let him play again. He's not stupid and from what I can see is a pretty nice person when he wants to be. (Just a little greedy which everyone can be in certain situations.)

 

I also like some of his design skills...lol.

 

 

Give him the chance to redeem himself and become a "white hacker."

[Dark1 0]

It seems as if he knows what he is doing. Since it can be a great help having him to fix bugs and so i think he should have a chance for this since this only benefits the server.

 

The problem i have with this is the trust issue. Do i trust him to not implement a bug that can be used for items or something else? I dont know..

 

In the end i would never abuse someone who would give his trust to me because that is going to low and hope that he doesnt do this again.

 

Since this can benefit server i think you should give him a chance under the conditions you said yourself.

 

To Jaapy: You have'nt harmed the server as far as i got out of the post but you abused someone who had to have alot of trust in you to give you acces to files.

 

Well i see benefit in keeping him. Just as long as someone keeps eye on him :ph34r:

 

 

Quick Edit: As Synz said everyone can be greedy in situation and i agree with what he says.

[Cue 0]

This situation sucks. I just cannot believe how he was trusted that much, the rest of the gms did not know about it at all (including Hunter). A mistake of forgetting those stuff?

 

Cause he is greedy and arrogant, he would deserve a big kick to his jaws. Win-Win situation to him would be that his ip was given to Romanian/Polish DDoSR's who could punch the life out of his cables and email address to viagra spammers.

Do ppl deserve 2nd chance? Yes after they start again from bottom. Let him create a new acc if he wants and changes ip. Ip bans should stay.

 

If he want's to give tips, Ok as long as:

No access is given.

No more source code stuff given

NO special threatment or status for him.

 

 

PS. If you see an apple in store shell, may you take it? Would you care if he is a good coder?

100% agree.

in my old memory,might be wrong, MusleGirl known as Alex is same person jaapy ,right?

He might be a good coder,haxxor, but Ive never heard he made a great community and controled that all.

I doubt he has those kind of capability.

 

whatever,I trust GMs..but ..uh.. yeah its really big deal....

[Skyas 0]

JAAPY in one guys PM:

"I've created an item which is relatively innocent. I also created an entire droplist 10 hours work for nemesis... also created a new website for farjat...

I was trying to prove that there was a bug in the server on rather "unfunny" way... but the GMs close the server immediately and it was down so long... I didnt expect that."

 

"I didn't abuse powers."

I didn't do any dmg to the server. I'm banned and that's it. I could have spawned mass-TW or something that would have caused a whipe.

I'm not a moron dude. Wake up."

 

You let farjat down badly.

 

And you think that it was a nice unfunny way to show a leak?

 

Dude, its *censored*ing HILARIOUS stay awake to 9am trying to reach farjat and banning all related characters+stuff. I've spent now about 15-20 hours dealing with this mess within last 30h, not mentioning that other GMS have also had their effort there.

 

I'm really looking forward to see your answer.

 

unban his characters and let him play again.

 

Give him the chance to redeem himself and become a "white hacker."

Do not unban, its not fair for those who have been banned. He should atleast level the chars again.

Still If he want's help, sure why not. IMO: We shall forgive, but never forget.

[xCoLoOox 0]

he can write all the code he wants

 

he shouldnt be rewarded in any way

 

he shouldnt be given a gm

 

he shouldnt be given any kind of access to server

 

i agree

 

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"I didn't abuse powers. The source code was right there, farjat practically gave me access to it. I just saw it and copied it to my HD. It's not like I will release it to everyone if my demands are not met...

The source code thing is also unrelated to the itemhack. I would have pulled it off even without the source.

 

 

I didn't do any dmg to the server. I'm banned and that's it. I could have spawned mass-TW or something that would have caused a whipe.

 

I'm not a moron dude. Wake up.

 

 

Also, I will only JOIN the staff. I dont have access to the server and I wont create items or anything. I dont even want to anymore since i dont have a normal char."

 

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lets have a hacker on the server.

[Deckmaster 0]

he can write all the code he wants

 

he shouldnt be rewarded in any way

 

he shouldnt be given a gm

 

he shouldnt be given any kind of access to server

 

i agree

 

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"I didn't abuse powers. The source code was right there, farjat practically gave me access to it. I just saw it and copied it to my HD. It's not like I will release it to everyone if my demands are not met...

The source code thing is also unrelated to the itemhack. I would have pulled it off even without the source.

 

 

I didn't do any dmg to the server. I'm banned and that's it. I could have spawned mass-TW or something that would have caused a whipe.

 

I'm not a moron dude. Wake up.

 

 

Also, I will only JOIN the staff. I dont have access to the server and I wont create items or anything. I dont even want to anymore since i dont have a normal char."

 

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lets have a hacker on the server.

AGREE

[Smooky 0]

Mis cortas palabras son:

 

ESTO ES ABUSIVO...!!!

 

Buen programador.-

Mala persona.-

 

 

Nemesis se caracteriza por su buena y vieja comunidad. No dejen que una cosa como esta afecte a todos.-

[Bliss/Qua 0]

he can write all the code he wants

 

he shouldnt be rewarded in any way

 

he shouldnt be given a gm

 

he shouldnt be given any kind of access to server

 

i agree

 

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ok Farjat...I believe in you. If you think you can manage the situation then you have my unconditional support. I do think this guy will need reward along the way to make it all work but recognition in the forum will probably go a long way towards giving him what he needs for his brilliance.

[~farjat 0]

Well there is lots of points of view and i respect everyones.

I have character but i know when i do shit.

But there is something that is very true here.

If this community keep opening servers the game will still dyeing. And that is straight proportional to other server having our code.

Me and other server admins are sure on only 1 thing. If this guy trys to open a server with our files. We will put our files on rapidshare available for all HB servers community.

Of course i always prefer the good way and peace because i dont want this game to finish die.

And actually this guy never threathered us or something, he speak to me gently and that have much value for me.

ill leave this topic up until tomorrow. all in server is ok and safe.

[Exec 0]

-should we put a hacker in staff?

- should we put a guy in staff that said he wins or wins? (sounds like he did us a trap)

- Should we put a some1 that players dun trust? (after all we know other players better)

- should we put some1 in staff that will give out items?

- should we put in staff some1 that abuse cuz he has nemesis codes?

 

hacker once, hacker forever

my vote is NO

 

edit: i think the only thing u should let him to do is to start new chars.

Btw, u said u did nothing bad to server? u think all that hours of server down cuz ur stupid sword were nice and great? U think that GMs had to clean all ur stupid mistakes were funny or cool? just no sense for me

[Synz 0]

hacker once, hacker forever

That's not true..I'm a perfect example of why it isn't.

 

:>

[Cake 0]

If this guy wants to release the server files, he's going to do it eventually. All you can do is what's best for this server. I don't see how letting him stay is going to help. He COMPLETELY stabbed you in the back by doing this and STEALING the source code. Sounds like a *censored* to me. Maybe I'm wrong? wat u thinkz kay0?

[khelben 0]

Points I see from my point of view,

 

Yes he stole the files

 

Yes that is wrong

 

Yes this guy was a coder for HBII in its day.

 

Memory serves and I will admit it I looked at HB II real hard due to it having inovations I liked seeing in a game, the only thing that encouraged me to stay with Nemesis was that Nemesis was stable where HBII went down more then a Recurit in basic training.

 

Aside from the Breif life of HBII I am worried about the Betrayal of trust this gentalman showed.

 

Farjat I just have two questions

 

1. does he have staffroom access, (if so can you remove twisted infinity to a protected spot since I can not get in there to update it since the password change with what I have over here)

 

2. Did your private files have a copy of the User passwords from nem1 or nem2 if so could you tell us so we all can cycle our passwords, OH HECK everyone cycle anyways.

 

As for Jaap on staff I would say let him send you his fix ideas get someone else to go over them looking for bugaboos (like Megatron-GM if you can still reach him) test them privately and then if they work good include them and give him the Credit for the changes.

 

As for him flooding the private servers with Nemesis code All the better to get the broken Snoopy code out of the way. Secondly even if they have nemesis code none will be hosted as securely or as stable as nemesis, something for anyone who looks and says ohh ah, I wanta go, remember most everyone of them will be fruit and flyby night. And haveing the source out there may revitalize the interest in the game in ways that we never thought of... After all the race to develop better content will now be on.

 

On a personal note,

 

I do think how he went about getting the source was wrong.

 

(though now I so wish I could get a clean copy to start seriously tinkering LOL)

 

As always

 

In the Shadows

 

Khelben

[Guest kay0]

If this guy wants to release the server files, he's going to do it eventually. All you can do is what's best for this server. I don't see how letting him stay is going to help. He COMPLETELY stabbed you in the back by doing this and STEALING the source code. Sounds like a *censored* to me. Maybe I'm wrong? wat u thinkz kay0?

 

i have to agree with cakes.

 

this guy is a huge tool, and if he gets 2nd chance. please unban all the lammers including hackers. (don't know if there was any hackers) and letting a hacker back in the server means that, if you get caught hacking you should be given a 2nd chance. (so this means, hack away and we'll give you a 2nd chance)

 

jaapy seems like a very "odd individual" from looking at his personal websites before he took some stuff down.

 

and for him to deny the fact that he did something wrong makes it even worst.

 

 

i'm also wondering how he got the src code so easily. if it was so "precious" to the owners how could he have gotten it? and if something like this could potentially ruin the server, why was it so "easy" to get?

[Dimora 0]

This situation sucks. I just cannot believe how he was trusted that much, the rest of the gms did not know about it at all (including Hunter). A mistake of forgetting those stuff?

 

Cause he is greedy and arrogant, he would deserve a big kick to his jaws. Win-Win situation to him would be that his ip was given to Romanian/Polish DDoSR's who could punch the life out of his cables and email address to viagra spammers.

Do ppl deserve 2nd chance? Yes after they start again from bottom. Let him create a new acc if he wants and changes ip. Ip bans should stay.

 

If he want's to give tips, Ok as long as:

No access is given.

No more source code stuff given

NO special threatment or status for him.

 

 

PS. If you see an apple in store shell, may you take it? Would you care if he is a good coder?

 

i totally agree with this speech. the fact is that if id be the host, no way new chance to this guy. id ban him + send some dogs after him. But from experience i know that farjat knows what hes doing (including other ppl that are in charge here) so I trust you on this, if u wanna give him another chance. give it.

[Kyoko 0]

Do you know what Law Enforcment do with villains who are really-really good at what they do ? they hire the villains :)

 

Big whoopdie-doo, guy saw a chance, took it and got caught. Now he wants to help with code you cannot write/fix by yourself. Let him.

 

Well, and i would not worry about him openening a new server, cause ppl trust the name "Nemesis" It has been around for ages, its always up, it has lots of players. Those last two things are THE MOST important for me. It even compesates for lag and shitty ping. I could easily play some local server with 12 ping, but i dont.. cos they have like 40 ppl on and downtime is like 8hrs out of 24.

 

 

Oh and "send dogs after him" ? thats a big LOL. even I could change my ip in about 8 seconds.

[Dimora 0]

yea well i dont know anything about computers or coding. 'sending dogs after him' was an expression of how angry i was about this whole situation.

[Beetlebum 0]

Whats done is done, you can't live in the past but must learn from it.

 

The hacker/abuser obviously is very skilled and would be a great asset to the server.

 

But the only way most people here would be comfortable him in GM staff would be if he was under constant supervision of other GM-s and all his ideas/changes made public, so there wouldn't be any behind the scenes action going on, because once a abuser always a abuser.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would most likely abuse too, honest GM-s are a rare breed, in my 6/7 year I have played many long running private servers and I have only met 1 honest GM(not iven 100% sure about that), only way to stop people in charge of server abusing is to keep constant eye on them and not giving them a chance to iven think about doing something bad, that is what we should do in this case.

[~Silent~ 0]

I didnt know this guy has nemesis files...

 

there are few servers like nemesis already and none of them good as nemesis... if this guy opens a server with our files then let him, its his choice to be (PEEP) and it wont hurt nemesis, we r not leaving =).

 

This shouldnt be a reason to let him be in our staff, if there is other reasons that you farjat (sexy) think that are big enough to let him in nemesis staff, then go ahead and let him be part of it.

[Zariel 0]

He is basically covertly holding you ransom. Blackmailing you and the server into submission.

 

Give him the big 'STFU'.. and let him make a new character. I have more confidence in Mussum as back up during a raid ... than in this kid -GM or no GM.

[Appetite 0]

he can write all the code he wants

 

he shouldnt be rewarded in any way

 

he shouldnt be given a gm

 

he shouldnt be given any kind of access to server

 

i agree

 

:)

[Gaucho 0]

Maybe the idea is not so bad. He is not asking for a gm, he is not be able to have acces to the server. So basicle he can help server making some fixed on the codes.

The way the make it is ilegal or bad. This way dont talk so well about him, but he can make worst this thing and, he never said it would make something like that.

Farjat said he wasent give him a gm and he wont use his char again.

 

So i Said Why not?

 

Anyways its farjat and sexy`s choice.

 

Calu la limas pero igual asi t banco. Creo que si no le das ningun privilegio estaria bien